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Halloween Thoughts from Obamas Science Advisor by Kajm Halloween Thoughts from Obamas Science Advisor by Kajm

by Robert Bradley Jr.October 31, 2013

 

Original with more links and images here www.masterresource.org/2013/10…

 

“Some form of ecocatastrophe, if not thermonuclear war, seems almost certain to overtake us before the end of the [twentieth] century.”

- John Holdren and Paul Ehrlich[1]

Doom and gloom—and falsity—hallmarks the long career of John P. Holdren, neo-Malthusian and now President Obama’s initial and still science advisor.

What else has the Assistant to the President for Science and Technology and Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy said? And can we assume that he still holds and trumpets these views to Obama?

It’s Halloween, a good time to refresh memories of the man who just might be the scariest presidential advisor in U.S. history!

Read—but don’t be too frightened. The sky-is-falling gloom of Holdren, his mentor Paul Ehrlich, and others is in intellectual and empirical trouble. From Julian Simon to Bjorn Lomborg to Matt Ridley, the technological optimists have the upper hand in a debate that continues to be one-sided.

Billion Deaths Possible!

“As University of California physicist John Holdren has said, it is possible that carbon-dioxide climate-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020.”[2]

Economic Decline Coming!

“Today the frontiers are gone, and the evidence is mounting that technology cannot hold the law of diminishing returns at bay much longer. Resources being stressed today are often being stressed globally; they will not be replenished from outside the ‘system’.”[3]

Economic Decline Required!

“Only one rational path is open to us—simultaneous de-development of the [overdeveloped countries] and semi-development of the underdeveloped countries (UDC’s), in order to approach a decent and ecologically sustainable standard of living for all in between. By de-development we mean lower per-capita energy consumption, fewer gadgets, and the abolition of planned obsolescence.”[4]

Optimist Not!

“We are not, of course, optimistic about our chances of success. Some form of ecocatastrophe, if not thermonuclear war, seems almost certain to overtake us before the end of the century. (The inability to forecast exactly which one – whether plague, famine, the poisoning of the oceans, drastic climatic change, or some disaster entirely unforeseen – is hardly grounds for complacency.)”[5]

We find ourselves firmly in the neo-Malthusian camp. We hold this view not because we believe the world to be running out of materials in an absolute sense, but rather because the barriers to continued material growth, in the form of problems of economics, logistics, management, and environmental impact, are so formidable.”[6]

Occupy Wall Street!

“[Our] “gloomy prognosis” [requires] organized evasive action: population control, limitation of material consumption, redistribution of wealth, transitions to technologies that are environmentally and socially less disruptive than today’s, and movement toward some kind of world government”[7]

Do I Have to Prove It?

“Now, this problem puts those of us who tend to view with alarm in a somewhat curious position. We’re calling upon society to make major changes, but we cannot prove exactly what will happen and exactly when, in the absence of those kinds of changes.” [8]

Just Kidding!?

“We have been warned by our more cautious colleagues that those who discuss threats of sociological and ecological disaster run the risk of being ‘discredited’ if those threats fail to materialize on schedule.”[9]

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In-depth Holdren analysis can be found in these posts:

- See more at: www.masterresource.org/2013/10…

 

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As of this posting, Halloween is still going - at least in the White House!

 

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ONI-Defense Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
“[Our] “gloomy prognosis” [requires] organized evasive action: population control, limitation of material consumption, redistribution of wealth, transitions to technologies that are environmentally and socially less disruptive than today’s, and movement toward some kind of world government”

So it requires forced abortion and child birth limits, rationing, legalized theft from the middle classes of countries, a transition to inefficient and unproven technologies which we are forced to use, and a global government that controls the entire world like something out of 1984 mixed with Demolition Man and Brave New World. These men and their thought processes are fucking scary as all hell, excuse my language, but holy shit...

All under the guise of stopping a fictional threat and "saving the planet". Disgusting. 


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Kajm Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And getting too damned close to reality.
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ONI-Defense Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah.
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MrEpicJustice Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013
... this just makes me adamant in my view that America should demilitarize.

Why?

Because who the fuck would want to invade America? It's like trying to abduct a Massive ape that shits on your couch and mauls you to death when you try to give it free healthcare.

And what would the spoils of war be? Corn? Shitty Reality TV?

Pass, kthx.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
I thought that fear-mongering is republican tactic???
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Kajm Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I've always understood it be used by anyone in power who thinks they can get away with it. Also, the words of Obama's science advisor should speak for themselves. He's been trying to scare people for 30 years, and his predictions keep failing.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
Yeah, he's a retard, that much is obvious. Unfortunately, in age of planet-wide communications fear is easy to spread, especially since people don't really try to investigate for themselves and rather to get their "facts" from "Faux News" & "Crap News Network". Idiots like this one just make it worse.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*g* I agree, people need to do their own homework on such matters.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I still dont see what the big deal is with what they call "Obamacare"
The UK has the NHS it meas that EVERYONE is entitled to good health care and a chance to live. Dosnt matter how much you have or can afford.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I think the main problem is the incredibly tangled mess they have made of it. There are recent articles out there, for example, showing that 10,000,000 more people will Lose their health care due to obamacare, and that's just for starters.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And where did they fine these figures?
On the back of a wheeties box?
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
you're in a mood tonight, aren't you?
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
just somethings make my blood boil. sorry
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Exodvs Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
It's coerced, the website crashes at the drop of a hat, and taxes will go way up.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Or is that what the Republicans WANT you to belive. In all forms of polotics there is always scaremongering.
The taxes pay for EVERYTHING, roads, police, fire dep, schools even if you dont have any kids you still pay for the education service.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013
Even Democrats are starting to give Obamacare the stink eye and its not because of any opposition propaganda. As for that 'Taxes pay for everything nonsense', consider this - at one time all those things were paid by local and state taxes or were totally voluntary(fire fighters) and each of those areas were considered the best in the world. Then the federal government got involved. . .

Besides, the US Constitution has this little thing called the 10th Amendment which basically states - any power not given to the federal level of government via the Constitution belongs/goes to the State(County, Local) Level of Government. In other words - the federal level of government has no right to get involved with providing health care. It is a issue/power for the states to take care of.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
Democrats? No, not democrats - individuals who are counting on Obamacare demonization to get more votes. Apparently republican campaign to discredit Obamcare infected some weak minded democrats too. Good. It is easy to see that way who is there for money and votes and who actually really care to make a better system for everyone.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Seems to me (at least) there are those in the Goverment who want to get so involved with it that they will do or say anything to make sure it never sees the light of day
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Exodvs Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I hate Reps and Dems equally. And not everyone wants to have the same health insurance. Even without the taxes, you can't choose your own doctor, clinic, medication, etc, meaning this is a threat to individual choice.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That I dont belive. Not everyone wants the same health insurance? What about the health insurance that covers you for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING? That Im sure everyone would like.

I think what the people of America should do is read up for themselves and use their OWN judgment, not the judgment of poltical types who are often in the back pocket of alot of insurer companies.

Health care should be FREE for EVERYONE no matter what you have in your bank account
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Exodvs Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Yes, but no one healthcare plan is going to work for everyone. Never has. Never will.
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ZeroPegasi Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That isnt true.
It dose work take a look at other countries who HAVE a healthcare system, it works. One healthcare plan for ALL
I belive what is happening is there are far too many negatives that are being put up with out ALL the facts being shown.

The US may have a great healthcare service, but why should it be for "profit" more then helping people.
How many life saving drugs are withheld or procedures not done that can save peoples lives, too many. Reason: There is no profit in it.

Look at it with an open mind and you will see there are more pros than there are cons to it.
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ONI-Defense Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Sorry, my comment was sent before it was finished or edited by mistake.

It doesn't work, in the EU countries have been plagued by high taxes, long waits for surgeries (which has lead to a rise in 'medical tourism', which is basically travel to other countries to receive treatment), and there's the lack of choice in doctors, partly due to limitations caused by socialized healthcare systems and because doctors move their practice to other countries or quit because the costs outweigh the rewards, like it or not, that's how it is. Germany has announced massive cuts to its healthcare system due to expenses and other countries in the EU are expecting to do the same.

One size of shoe can not fit all feet, the very idea of a one size fits all system or object is a fallacy, it's fantasy.
The US is seeing many of these same issues with the ACA, as well as others unique to our government's implementation of it and the US political and economic climate. 

A very good analogue, one I have experience with personally is education, here in the US our education systems have become more and more like this, one style of teaching for all students. There's a lot less visual and audible elements for teaching in modern US classrooms, which hurts students who learn through visuals and sound, and hands on activities are being thrown out for standardized tests and book work. It's part of why I believe that the US education system has fallen on the international stage. We live in a world of hundreds of cultures and thousands more subcultures, many races and ethnic groups, a plethora of religions and ideologies, and so much more, the very idea that one can provide for and satisfy all groups is fantasy, pure fantasy, it isn't rational or realistic, it's pure absurdity.

 
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ONI-Defense Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
It doesn't work, in the EU countries have been plagued by high taxes, long waits for surgeries (which has lead to a rise in 'medical tourism', which is basically travel to other countries to receive treatment), and there's the lack of choice in doctors, partly due to limitations caused by socialized healthcare systems and because doctors move their practice to other countries or quit 
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Exodvs Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Two of the most important things in this world are individual choice and freedom. The latter is neither consubstantial with nor should ever be exchanged for security, and the greatest threat to both choice and freedom is government. And there are many people in the United States from both the UK and the (formerly existent) USSR who were greatly dissatisfied with their healthcare systems because they had no say-so. Imagine if your government had an educational plan, and you could not choose your teachers, nor curriculum, regardless of the price. Imagine if the teachers were all frauds and the curriculum subjective and you had absolutely no say in the matter, and worse off you are forced to go with this instead of using some other educational plan.

The thing is, one should be able to choose their doctor if they don't find his/her service satisfactory. And if they can't use the publicly-perscribed medicine (say, if they have a bad reaction to it), they should be able to choose a medication that's better for them.
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TheUnisonReturns Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Be afraid! Be very afraid! :fear:
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
... but that's what they want! ;)
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TheUnisonReturns Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Good point. Like Churchill once said, "we have nothing to fear, but fear itself." :)
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Listen to eb, he studies these things.
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TheUnisonReturns Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
That's definitely something new I've learned today.
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ebturner Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Except Churchill didn't say that. It was Franklin D. Roosevelt in his 1st inaugural speech in March 1933.
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TheUnisonReturns Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Well, that's something new I didn't know. It seems I was misinformed. :O
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ebturner Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
It's all good. :) Glad to be of assistance.
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TheUnisonReturns Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Professional Filmographer
:peace:
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